cool thing about Rabbinic Judaism: in a great many cases, the people viewed as the greatest of their generation were not kings or priests or even prophets, implying that it was possible and common for ordinary people to become the greatest of their generation

bad thing: it never questions kingship or the priesthood themselves, nor ask "what about the people who weren't considered great in their generation, what about the people who no one listened to, what about Jewish women and queers etc."

some of this of course is based on reforms from the Second Temple period, such as letting non-priests sit on the Sanhedrin

it's kind of sad tbh that so many among us want to freeze the result of this process in time forever, and that they are considered the only true Jews

there's of course a halakhic rationale for this, being that we don't have a sanhedrin anymore at all that can rule on such matters

@kittybecca idk about silly. The Conservatives have a Sanhedrin-like council. This is a time of changes... Hopefully we can get through this without a lasting split.

@derpayatz non-chassidic haredim used to burn chassidic literature and absolutely refuse to recognize chassids as Jewish

and then they decided to unite against the haskallah

who knows how things'll end up in the future but it's looking like dividing Jew from Jew is proving very useful to the powerful

@derpayatz there's also like, karaites used to be recognized as Jews, but now some Ashkenazi authorities are refusing to recognize karaites, probably for some sort of consistency with respect to their views on Conservative/Neolog, Reform/Liberal, Reconstructionist, etc.

meanwhile non-Ashkenazim still universally recognize Karaites

@kittybecca there's a dirty bit of history with Karaim in the Russian Empire, I wonder if that's part of it

@derpayatz yeah i remember you telling me about that. i think it has more to do with Karaim being patrilineal

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