cool thing about Rabbinic Judaism: in a great many cases, the people viewed as the greatest of their generation were not kings or priests or even prophets, implying that it was possible and common for ordinary people to become the greatest of their generation

bad thing: it never questions kingship or the priesthood themselves, nor ask "what about the people who weren't considered great in their generation, what about the people who no one listened to, what about Jewish women and queers etc."


some of this of course is based on reforms from the Second Temple period, such as letting non-priests sit on the Sanhedrin

it's kind of sad tbh that so many among us want to freeze the result of this process in time forever, and that they are considered the only true Jews

there's of course a halakhic rationale for this, being that we don't have a sanhedrin anymore at all that can rule on such matters

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@kittybecca idk about silly. The Conservatives have a Sanhedrin-like council. This is a time of changes... Hopefully we can get through this without a lasting split.

@derpayatz non-chassidic haredim used to burn chassidic literature and absolutely refuse to recognize chassids as Jewish

and then they decided to unite against the haskallah

who knows how things'll end up in the future but it's looking like dividing Jew from Jew is proving very useful to the powerful

@kittybecca yep. I really want to make connections with rad Orthodox people (surely they exist) and try to build some bridges for when shit gets really bad. But I don't know where to start. שנאת חינם is a big problem in our community rn and people need to get their heads screwed on properly

@derpayatz @kittybecca I'd say I identify as orthodox and leftist though no idea if specifically radical.

@chanele @derpayatz There's a Yiddish farm a couple of hours upstate from New York— they are Orthodox to the point of asking that visitors be observant while there, and seem to have radical leanings or sympathies. Need to find it again.

@chanele @derpayatz I remember their website saying to radical secular Jews who wanted to visit that even Yiddish radicalism was rooted in Torah

@chanele @derpayatz But iirc they are welcoming to queers for, among other reasons, mitzvot regarding hospitality

@derpayatz @chanele found it!

so, i might've been wrong about them specifically welcoming queer people, but they do say here:

"Due to our general adherence to Jewish observance, which we view as a pillar of our people’s radical tradition, our Yiddish immersion programs stand out in so far as students are exposed, first hand, to a lifestyle that informs their language acquisition."


@derpayatz @chanele
"Insofar as we are a meeting place, or bridge, between Jews of various backgrounds, we are committed to maintaining a difficult balance. Our values, including hakhnoses orkhim (hospitality) guide us in this commitment."

@derpayatz @chanele and in the FAQ: "We believe that a traditional Jewish lifestyle is an important part of the Yiddish-immersion experience as well as our future community. In fact we understand Jewish tradition to be part an integral part of our people’s radical heritage."

@derpayatz @chanele so they absolutely seem radical and they talk about welcoming Jews from many backgrounds and maintaining a difficult balance, etc.

@derpayatz there's also like, karaites used to be recognized as Jews, but now some Ashkenazi authorities are refusing to recognize karaites, probably for some sort of consistency with respect to their views on Conservative/Neolog, Reform/Liberal, Reconstructionist, etc.

meanwhile non-Ashkenazim still universally recognize Karaites

@kittybecca there's a dirty bit of history with Karaim in the Russian Empire, I wonder if that's part of it

@derpayatz yeah i remember you telling me about that. i think it has more to do with Karaim being patrilineal

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