דער פאַיאַץ @derpayatz@masto.jews.international

@Digital_pigeon
Cool. Well if you don't have a bunch of followers or whatnot migration shouldn't be an issue 😊

@Digital_Pigeon
What kind of migration?

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What this means that while Jewish hypersensitivity is born out of trauma and shouldn't be dismissed, it is merely a screen for imperialist powers and not the real cause for the silencing of Israel's critics in the West.

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2. I think that it's important to acknowledge Jewish hypersensitivity (or even paranoia), and its roots in extreme historical trauma, as part of a principled denunciation of Israeli settler-colonialism and nationalism. Of course, Gentile Zionists (who are far more powerful and numerous than not just Zionist Jews, but Jews of any political persuasion) have no such excuse.

A couple of notes on "from the River to the Sea:"

1. Nobody at all (to my knowledge) is suggesting the deportation of the existing Jewish population of Palestine as part of the abolition of the colonial state. The only prospect of deportation is under the theoretical Two State deal, where the Jewish settlers in the West Bank would have to leave for Israel "proper."

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@gaditb @kittybecca
If a solution can be found, then we'll be fine. If not, then some will be left out

@gaditb
The real issue of course is conversions and marriages. That's the only thing that is causing problems with regards to the Jewish people as a whole. Orthodox doesn't recognize anyone's, Conservatives recognize Orthodox but not Reform... If we can't intermarry we can't be a people.
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@kittybecca @gaditb
Reform is Rabbinical but not Halakhic, but I expect they'll either reintegrate (thru Reconstructionism? It's already a trend I think) or assimilate out

@kittybecca @gaditb
Or Babylonian vs Jerusalem Talmud even

@kittybecca @gaditb
I think that here we have a split between two halakhic traditions, like what happened in the Gaonic period for example. I'm not a big expert, but that's where I would look for more examples

@kittybecca @gaditb
The dispute with the Karaites is much greater than the dispute between Conservative and Orthodox Judaism, because they're both Halakhik and Rabbinical, and the Karaites are neither. And whatever happened to the Saducees, they're gone, either integrated or withered.

@kittybecca
I don't think all the examples you bring are applicable. The Hellenists either assimilated into Hellenism or back into Judaism. The split with the Samaritans may never have happened–it dates back to before there is even any external evidence of Judaism existing. Much more likely it was two Canaanite nations worshipping the same god, before the development of monotheism.
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@kittybecca
Scepticism is healthy, I think that there is reason to be optimistic bc of our history
@gaditb

@gaditb
Yeah, which is why I object to Orthodoxy, because it seems like they don't see it that way. But I'm confident that Orthodoxy (just like Reform, btw) is the product of a particular historical moment, a reaction to modernity, so they will reintegrate eventually, if there's anyone actually left....
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